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                       MARION TOWNSHIP

                  SPECIAL JOINT MEETING

 TOWNSHIP BOARD, ZBA AND PLANNING COMMISSION

                AGENDA and DRAFT MINUTES

                     SEPTEMBER 26, 2005 

                     

CALL TO ORDER:

MEMBERS PRESENT:  

MEMBERS ABSENT:

CALL TO THE PUBLIC:    Agenda Items Only – 3 minute limit

APPROVAL OF AGENDA:   September 26, 2005

APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR:  None              

OLD BUSINESS: 

NEW BUSINESS:  

Proposed Text Amendment - Section 6.20 A Pre Existing Non-conforming Private Roads

Section 8.01 F 6 & 7 – Rural Residential Site Development Requirements

Section 8.02 F 6 & 7 – Suburban Residential Site Development Requirements

Section 3.02 – Definitions for Landscape Buffers

Section 6.19 B – Access Controls

Section 6.18 F 1 & G – Condominium Projects

CALL TO PUBLIC:

ADJOURNMENT:

                                 DRAFT MINUTES

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:     ROBERT HANVEY, SUPERVISOR

                                       SUE LINGLE, TREASURER

                                       TAMMY L. BEAL, CLERK

                                       DAN LOWE, TRUSTEE

                                        DAVE HAMANN, TRUSTEE

 

ABSENT:                        NONE          

OTHERS PRESENT:       ANNETTE MCNAMARA, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR

                                      PHIL WESTMORELAND, ORCHARD, HILTZ & MCCLIMENT

                                     JOHN ENOS, CARLISLE/WORTMAN

                                     MIKE KEHOE, MILLER KEHOE & ASSOCIATES                                             

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CALL TO ORDER

The meeting was called to order at 7:20 p.m.

INTRODUCTION OF MEMBERS

Robert Hanvey, Sue Lingle, Tammy L. Beal, Dan Lowe and Dave Hamann were present. 

CALL TO THE PUBLIC

Robert Hanvey opened the call to the public.

Ken Tyler, 3300 Richardson Road . Have there been any changes to the text since the last meeting?

Robert Hanvey answered minimal changes have been made to the document.

Robert Hanvey closed the call to the public.

APPROVAL OF MINUTES

None heard.

OLD BUSINESS

Proposed Text Amendment - 6.20 A Pre-Existing Non-Conforming Private Roads

Robert Hanvey noted the proposed text is to provide residents with a safe route to get home. 

He questioned the definitions in the text and said they can be interpreted in many ways. He asked 

Mike Kehoe if a private road does not have a maintenance agreement, is it pre-existing 

non-conforming. Mike Kehoe answered yes.

Residents from Pheasant Run attended the meeting to clarify their current situations in relationship 

to the proposed text.

Discussion on Public Act 188.  PA 188 spells out a method for calculating homeowners cost for 

special assessment.  The township uses a different method for calculating.  Allocation of cost per

PA 188 does not go along with proposed Section 6.20 A.  Which takes precedence?

Mike Kehoe answered PA 188.  A homeowner could protest this and take it to the tribunal.  

Mike Kehoe agreed to look into PA 188.

Phil Westmoreland explained the engineering standards.  The criteria covers different situations, 

gives the township a starting point.  There are too many variables, all the roads are different, and 

one set of standards will not cover each one.  This gives the Planning Commission a starting point

and provides flexibility.

Sue Lingle questioned page 1 of 9 the last sentence, fee in the amount of twenty-five percent of 

total costs. Isn’t the township responsible for 8%?

Mike Kehoe answered, this is a different situation.  If they agree to 25%, then the township gets 

25%.

John Enos will make the following changes to the document and submit to the Planning 

Commission.

Page 8 of 9, the private road maintenance agreement template, item #12 remove this text and 

replace with the existing text in Section 6.20.

Page 2 of 9, subsection C d, make clear this is for newly created lots.

Page 4 of 9, subsection F, remove the word New Private Road in the second sentence.

Page 4 of 9, subsection G, delete “without evidence of an approved land division and at least 

twenty-one days prior to the meeting date for which the applicant requests consideration” and 

replace with “subject to approved land division.”

Page 5 of 9, subsection J, change wording to read, anything pre-existing non-conforming, a lot of

record does not apply.

Dan Lowe does not agree with the proposed language that requires a property owner at the 

beginning of a private road to upgrade the entire road to get a land use permit. He does not think

this is fair.

Timber Bluff Site Condominium Development

Marion Township has been receiving complaints about vehicles accessing the Timber Bluff 

development through the emergency access that connects to Pleasant Lake Rd.

Marion Township approved shrubs along Pleasant Lake Rd. to keep non-emergency vehicles from 

using the access.  The developer has not planted the shrubs yet.  Robert Hanvey asked the group

if there were any objections to a gate in place of the shrubs. 

Discussion ensued.  All agreed on Robert Hanvey asking the Howell Area Fire Authority which

they preferred.  A representative of Marion Township will then meet with the developer to work 

out a solution.

Proposed Text Amendment - Section 8.01 F 6 & 7 - Rural Residential - 

Site Development Requirements

Proposed Text Amendment - Section 8.02 F 6 & 7 - Suburban Residential - 

Site Development Requirements

Proposed Text Amendment - Section 6.18 F 1 & G - Condominium Projects

Proposed Text Amendment - Section 6.19 B - Access Controls

Proposed Text Amendment - Section 3.02 - Definitions - Landscape Buffers

The above five proposed text amendments were discussed.

Dave Hamann reiterated to the group the reason for using the 25’ greenbelt buffer in area 

calculations.  If a homeowner changes the character of the buffer in any way and the township 

wants to enforce the natural state it must be made a part of the Exhibit B drawings.

Debra Wiedman-Clawson stated if the area is cleared it is up to the homeowners association to 

pursue, not the township.

Robert Hanvey would like to know how the State of Michigan defines noxious.

All agreed to send the five text amendments to Mike Kehoe for his review and comment. The 

proposed amendments along with comments will then be sent to the Board of Trustees for their 

review & approval/denial.

NEW BUSINESS

None heard.

CALL TO THE PUBLIC

Ken Tyler, 3300 Richardson; Ken Tyler reiterated concerns previously discussed.

ADJOURNMENT

Sue Lingle motioned to adjourn the meeting at 10:08 p.m.  Debra Wiedman-Clawson seconded. 

Motion Carried 4-0.  The meeting was adjourned at 10:35 p.m.