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MARION TOWNSHIP Public Hearing and Regular PC Meeting May 24th, 2005 - Agenda and Draft Minutes CALL
TO ORDER: MEMBERS
PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: CALL TO THE PUBLIC: Agenda Items Only – 3 minute limit APPROVAL OF AGENDA: May 24, 2005 Public Hearings APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR: OLD BUSINESS: 1. Proposed
Text Amendment Rural Residential Uses Permitted by Special Use Permit 8.01 E 6 cemeteries, crematories & mausoleums (remove crematories) & 17 Shooting ranges, including gun, rifle, skeet, trap, pistol and archery clubs (remove all except archery
clubs) 8.02 E 4 cemeteries,
crematories & mausoleums (remove crematories)
NEW BUSINESS: CALL
TO PUBLIC: ADJOURNMENT: REGULAR MEETING AGENDA CALL
TO ORDER: MEMBERS
PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: CALL TO THE PUBLIC: Agenda Items Only – 3 minute limit APPROVAL OF AGENDA: May 24, 2005 Regular Meeting APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR: April 26, 2005 Regular Meeting OLD BUSINESS: Proposed Text Amendment
Article XVIII Site Plan Review Requirements Proposed Text Amendment Rural
Residential - Uses Permitted by Special Use Permit 8.01 E 7 Child
Care Centers
8.02
E 5 Child Care Center
NEW BUSINESS: CALL
TO PUBLIC: ADJOURNMENT: Public Hearing - Draft Minutes MEMBERS PRESENT:
JOHN LOWE, CHAIRPERSON
DAVE HAMANN
DEBRA WIEDMAN-CLAWSON
JIM ANDERSON
ANNETTE MCNAMARA, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
PHIL WESTMORELAND, ORCHARD, HILTZ & MCCLIMENT
PAUL SIERSMA, CARLISLE/WORTMAN ****************************************************************** CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called
to order at 7:20 p.m. APPROVAL OF
AGENDA Dave Hamann motioned to approve the agenda for May 24, 2005 Planning Commission Public Hearings.
Debra Wiedman-Clawson seconded. Motion
Carried 3-0. INTRODUCTION OF
MEMBERS The Planning Commission members introduced themselves to the audience. Jean Root and Jim Anderson are absent. CALL TO THE
PUBLIC Debra Wiedman-Clawson
questioned the reason for deleting crematories from the uses. John Lowe said it is a commercial use and does not think it is an appropriate use in residential districts. high traffic volumes. have an option. with each district. John Lowe thinks it is
a commercial operation and can be a use in Highway Service. John Luitink period? John Lowe asked Dave
Hamann if he had any thoughts. Dave Hamann responded
no. John Lowe closed the call to the public. Agenda item to be placed on the June 28, 2005 agenda. APPROVAL OF
MINUTES None OLD BUSINESS Proposed Text Amendment - Rural Residential uses Permitted by Special Use Permit - Section 8.01 E 6 - Cemeteries, Crematories & Mausoleums and Section 8.01 E 17 Shooting ranges,
including gun, rifle, skeet, trap, pistol and archery clubs John Lowe opened discussion on Section 8.01 E 17 - shooting ranges, including gun, rifle, skeet, trap, pistol and archery clubs. The removal of all but archery clubs. John Lowe asked the audience members if
that was what they were here for. John Lowe asked the
Planning Commission members if they had any comments.
They answered no. John Lowe opened the
call to the public. John Luitink asked how this would affect the Howell Gun Club and if this meant there will be no new gun clubs
allowed in rural residential. John Lowe answered no it would not effect them and yes this would prohibit any new gun clubs in rural residential. Debra Wiedman-Clawson is opposed to removing this text from rural residential. She would rather have controlled
shooting. She also asked if this
applied to an individual property owner. John Lowe answered
this is for gun clubs. Discussion ensued on
individuals shooting in their back yards and how that would be monitored. Dave Hamann read the
definition of shooting range and it clarified the issue. John Lowe asked if there were any other comments. No response. Agenda item to be placed on the June 28, 2005
agenda. Proposed Text Amendment - Suburban Residential District - Uses Permitted by Special Use Permit -
8.02 E #4 Cemeteries, Crematories & Mausoleums John Lowe noted this is essentially the same text amendment as discussed earlier under agenda item 8.01 E #6. John Lowe opened the call to the public. No response. John Lowe asked the Planning Commission members if they had
any comments. No response. Debra Wiedman-Clawson asked to revisit the gun club discussion. If the Howell Gun Club sold would the new owners
be able to continue a now non-conforming use? John Lowe would like to have this discussion at the June 28, 2005 meeting when Mike Kehoe will be present. NEW BUSINESS None CALL TO THE
PUBLIC No response.
John Lowe closed the call to the public. ADJOURNMENT Dave Hamann motioned to adjourn the meeting at 7:40 p.m. Debra Wiedman-Clawson seconded. Motion Carried 3-0.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
JOHN LOWE, CHAIRPERSON
JEAN ROOT, SECRETARY
DAVE HAMANN
DEBRA WIEDMAN-CLAWSON
ANNETTE MCNAMARA, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
PHIL WESTMORELAND, ORCHARD, HILTZ & MCCLIMENT
PAUL SIERSMA, CARLISLE/WORTMAN CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called
to order at 7:43 p.m. APPROVAL OF
AGENDA Dave Hamann motioned to approve the agenda for May 24, 2005 Planning Commission Regular Meeting.
Debra Wiedman-Clawson seconded. Motion
Carried 3-0. INTRODUCTION OF
MEMBERS The Planning Commission members introduced themselves to the audience. Jean Root came @ 7:50 p.m.
Jim Anderson is absent. CALL TO THE
PUBLIC John Lowe opened call
to the public. No response.
John Lowe closed the call to the public. APPROVAL OF
MINUTES Jean Root requested by phone earlier in the day that this item be tabled until she is in attendance and has an opportunity to respond. Dave Hamann motioned to table the April 26, 2005 minutes. Debra Wiedman-Clawson
seconded. Motion Carried 3-0.
OLD BUSINESS Proposed Text
Amendment - Article XVIII Site Plan Review Requirements The Planning Commission members agreed to forgo reading the entire document and focus on the items they would like
changed. Section 18.01, item B
Paul Siersma clarified the last word ‘and’ as a transition to item C. Section 18.03 Preliminary Site Plan - A Application ‘aerial photos of the site area and surrounding areas showing overlaying property lines and the proposed site layout at a scale ten times that used for the site plan’ John Lowe asked Phil Westmoreland what scale that would be? If it was 1”=100’ it would be
1”=1,000’. John Lowe asked if you could use a different scale. He would like to see one presentation aerial for the night of the
meeting and smaller aerials for the Planning Commission members. It was agreed that six
11” x 17” color aerials and one 24” x 36” presentation color aerial.
Section 18.03 Preliminary Site Plan - A - Application - the number of copies to be submitted will be changed from twenty to twelve. Section 18.03 Preliminary Site Plan - B - Information required - underline the first line of the paragraph so it will
stand out to applicants. Section 18.03 Preliminary Site Plan - General Information - Copy item #12 (except zoning classification) and #13 and place in item #3 as information required in the presentation quality aerial photograph. Section 18.03
Preliminary Site Plan - General Information - item #15 delete ‘to road geometrics’. Section 18.03
Preliminary Site Plan - Physical Features - item #6 add (where applicable.) Section 18.03 Preliminary Site Plan - D - Effect of Approval - discussion on the word approval vs. recommending took
place. Debra Wiedman-Clawson stated the word approval implies the Planning Commission is a approving body.
This is not true, does this mean it is sent to the Board of Trustees. Dave Hamann noted the preliminary site plan is the driving force for a final and it may not be wise to approve a preliminary without Board of Trustees input. If Article XVIII is being revised Dave Hamann would like Annette McNamara approach the Board of Trustees with the question ‘what is their interest in a preliminary site plan do they want to be part of the preliminary approval process or waive and allow
another process.’ Jean Root clarified Planned Unit Development process gets the Board of Trustees approval at the preliminary level. Mike Kehoe to comment
on this. Section 18.03 Preliminary Site Plan - E - Expiration of Approval of Approval - Paul Siersma stated this is an arbitrary number. The Planning Commission members would like to delete one hundred eight days and insert
one year. Section 18.04 Final
Site Plan - A - Application -
change twenty copies to twelve copies. Section 18.04 Final Site Plan - B - Information Required - Physical Features - add (where applicable) to item #9 and item
#13. Add ’limits of
clearing’ to item #16. Section 18.04 Final Site Plan - B - Information Required - Additional Requirements for Residential Developments - copy items #1, #2 & #3 to Section 18.03 Preliminary Site Plan - B - Information Required as a new item
below Natural Features. Section 18.04 Final Site Plan - C - Standards for Review - delete last three words of last sentence in item #3. Debra Wiedman-Clawson would Like Livingston County Drain Commission changed to Livingston County Drain Commissioner throughout the document. Add (where applicable) to item #6. Section 18.04 Final Site Plan - D - Planning Commission Action - the Planning Commission members would like to include a 90 day limitation and would like Mike Kehoe to approve the time frame.
Howell Area Fire Authority should be added. Section 18.09 Construction Observation - the Planning Commission members would like input from Mike Kehoe on the
sentence “Any facilities installed without will be required to be removed and reinstalled at the applicant’s expense with proper Marion
Section 18.10 Modification of Plan During Construction - discussion on fees. Dave Hamann noted Section 4.07 of the zoning ordinance addresses the Zoning Administrator ability to determine fees. Section 18.12
Appeals - Paul Siersma to ask
Mike Kehoe if this can be removed. The changes to Article
XVIII to be submitted by Carsile/Wortman for the June 28, 2005 meeting. Site Plan Review
Application & Checklist It was agreed by the Planning Commission members that this agenda item be worked on once Article XVIII is completed. Dave Hamann motioned to table this item to the June 28, 2005 meeting.
Debra Wiedman-Clawson seconded. Motion
Carried 4-0. Proposed Text Amendment Rural Residential - Uses Permitted by Special Use Permit Section 8.01 E 7
- Child Care Centers Debra Wiedman-Clawson
stated the zoning ordinance needs a clear definition for What is a day care and
what is a school. John Lowe asked Paul Siersma to submit examples for definitions of child care center and day care center for the June
28, 2005 Planning Commission meeting. The Planning Commission members would like to clarify day care and schools. The Planning Commission members do not want to remove this from Rural Residential. They would prefer to work on definitions and the special use permit requirements set forth in Article XVII - Section 17.08. Add paved roads as a requirement, isolation distances and a primary residence must be in place and occupied by the child care center operator. The Planning Commission members do not want to
see a stand alone business. Section 3.02 and
Section 17.08 and submit for June
28, 2005 meeting. Proposed Text Amendment Suburban Residential - Uses Permitted by Special Use Permit Section
8.02 E 5 - Child Care Centers Discussion ensued on
requirements for Suburban Residential (SR.) John Lowe would like
acreage requirements so they are not on ¾ acre lots. Debra Wiedman-Clawson
would still like to see a primary residence in place. John Lowe does not
think you could get a primary and an accessory structure on a 2 acre lot. Section 17.08 covers all three districts in the township. Discussion on allowing on gravel roads, more stringent isolation distance requirements and play areas being isolated from neighbors in the SR district.
for the June 28, 2005
meeting. Land Division
amendment 525 John Lowe asked Paul
Siersma or Phil Westmoreland to comment. Paul Siersma informed the Planning Commission the amendment has refined time changes, more detailed sections,
consolidated and clarifying of language, reviewing departments have changed.
Dave Hamann interjected other changes, consolidating county agency review and township reviewed reduced from 90 to 60 days to process. He also suggested the Marion Township Subdivision Control
Ordinance should be revised to reflect the changes in 525.
John Lowe would like to discuss this issue further at the June 28, 2005 meeting when Mike Kehoe will be in attendance. Performance
reviews scheduled for June 28, 2005 This is to confirm the
date for everyone and acknowledge that Mike Kehoe will attend. Approval of
minutes from: April 26, 2005
Regular Meeting Jean Root and Debra Wiedman-Clawson noted their changes to the minutes. Dave Hamann motioned to approve
the minutes as amended. Jean
Root seconded. Motion Carried
4-0. NEW BUSINESS CALL TO THE
PUBLIC Jean Root noted in removing crematorium from uses permitted with a special use permit. It should also be taken out of the heading and be removed from item #1. Can Paul Siersma look at this section and amend
accordingly for the June 28, 2005 Planning Commission meeting. Jean Root also an FYI;
Hidden Pines in water treatment system
at a cost of $366,000.00. John Luitink 4757 Pingree. Would like to see all agendas posted in the glass box outside of the building.
John Lowe discussed Cedar Creek Estates roads. They are falling apart and who is responsible for fixing the problems. Dave Hamann suggested reviewing the Master Deed and By-Laws for Cedar Creek Estates and see what percentage the
developer is liable for. John Lowe closed the
call to the public. ADJOURNMENT Dave Hamann motioned to adjourn the meeting at 10:15 p.m. Jean Root seconded. Motion Carried 4-0.
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