SPECIAL JOINT MEETING
BOARD, ZBA AND PLANNING COMMISSION
AGENDA and DRAFT MINUTES
TO THE PUBLIC: Agenda
Items Only – 3 minute limit
September 26, 2005
OF MINUTES FOR: None
Proposed Text Amendment -
Section 6.20 A Pre Existing Non-conforming Private Roads
8.01 F 6 & 7 – Rural Residential Site Development Requirements
8.02 F 6 & 7 – Suburban Residential Site Development
3.02 – Definitions for Landscape Buffers
6.19 B – Access Controls
6.18 F 1 & G – Condominium Projects
JOHN LOWE, CHAIRPERSON
PHIL WESTMORELAND, ORCHARD, HILTZ & MCCLIMENT
JOHN ENOS, CARLISLE/WORTMAN
MIKE KEHOE, MILLER KEHOE & ASSOCIATES
The meeting was
called to order at 7:20 p.m.
Sue Lingle, Tammy L. Beal, Dan Lowe and Dave Hamann were present.
opened the call to the public.
3300 Richardson Road
. Have there been any changes to
the text since the last meeting?
answered minimal changes have been made to the document.
closed the call to the public.
Text Amendment - 6.20 A Pre-Existing Non-Conforming Private Roads
noted the proposed text is to provide residents with a safe route to
the definitions in the text and said they can be interpreted in many
ways. He asked
Mike Kehoe if a
private road does not have a maintenance agreement, is it
Mike Kehoe answered yes.
Pheasant Run attended the meeting to clarify their current situations
to the proposed
Public Act 188. PA 188
spells out a method for calculating homeowners cost for
assessment. The township
uses a different method for calculating.
Allocation of cost per
PA 188 does not
go along with proposed Section 6.20 A.
Which takes precedence?
answered PA 188. A
homeowner could protest this and take it to the tribunal.
agreed to look into PA 188.
Westmoreland explained the engineering standards.
The criteria covers different situations,
township a starting point. There
are too many variables, all the roads are different, and
one set of
standards will not cover each one.
This gives the Planning Commission a starting point
questioned page 1 of 9 the last sentence, fee in the amount of
twenty-five percent of
Isn’t the township responsible for 8%?
answered, this is a different situation.
If they agree to 25%, then the township gets
John Enos will
make the following changes to the document and submit to the
Page 8 of 9, the
private road maintenance agreement template, item #12 remove this text
replace with the
existing text in Section 6.20.
Page 2 of 9,
subsection C d, make clear this is for newly created lots.
Page 4 of 9,
subsection F, remove the word
New Private Road
in the second sentence.
Page 4 of 9,
subsection G, delete “without evidence of an approved land division
and at least
prior to the meeting date for which the applicant requests
“subject to approved land division.”
Page 5 of 9,
subsection J, change wording to read, anything pre-existing
non-conforming, a lot of
record does not
Dan Lowe does
not agree with the proposed language that requires a property owner at
beginning of a
private road to upgrade the entire road to get a land use permit.
He does not think
this is fair.
Bluff Site Condominium Development
has been receiving complaints about
vehicles accessing the Timber Bluff
through the emergency access that connects to
Pleasant Lake Rd.
approved shrubs along
Pleasant Lake Rd.
to keep non-emergency vehicles from
access. The developer has
not planted the shrubs yet. Robert
Hanvey asked the group
if there were
any objections to a gate in place of the shrubs.
ensued. All agreed on
Robert Hanvey asking the Howell Area Fire Authority which
A representative of
will then meet with the developer to work
out a solution.
Text Amendment - Section 8.01 F 6 & 7 - Rural Residential -
Text Amendment - Section 8.02 F 6 & 7 - Suburban Residential
Text Amendment - Section 6.18 F 1 & G - Condominium Projects
Text Amendment - Section 6.19 B - Access Controls
Text Amendment - Section 3.02 - Definitions - Landscape Buffers
The above five
proposed text amendments were discussed.
reiterated to the group the reason for using the 25’ greenbelt
buffer in area
If a homeowner changes the character of the buffer in any way
and the township
wants to enforce
the natural state it must be made a part of the Exhibit B drawings.
Wiedman-Clawson stated if the area is cleared it is up to the
homeowners association to
pursue, not the
would like to know how the State of
All agreed to
send the five text amendments to Mike Kehoe for his review and
amendments along with comments will then be sent to the Board of
Trustees for their
Ken Tyler, 3300
Richardson; Ken Tyler reiterated concerns previously discussed.
motioned to adjourn the meeting at 10:08 p.m.
Debra Wiedman-Clawson seconded.
Carried 4-0. The
meeting was adjourned at 10:35 p.m.